Wednesday, March 11, 2015

The site that keeps on giving. PLEASE stop giving

More from http://www.godandscience.org/

More pure gold which, we are reminded, is STAR STUFF, thereby proving god.

If God is Omnipotent (All Powerful) Why Did He Need to Take Six Days to Create the Universe?

asked atheists, to be polite. What we really meant was “The claim that god created the universe in six days makes no sense for about a thousand reasons. Tell me how you justify it so we can laugh at you and point out your mistakes.”

Well, apparently there are really two questions, neither of which have anything to do with why it supposedly took six days:

    1. Astronomical data indicates that the universe began 13.8 billion years ago,1 but the earth was not formed until 4.5 billion years ago.2 Why would God wait 9.2 billion years after creating the universe to create the earth?
    2. And why would He wait another 4.5 billion years to create humans, if we are really God's ultimate reason for creating the universe?

Good questions. Providing you start from the ludicrous position that god invented the universe. But the question was about the universe being created in six days. What’s this billions of years shit all about?

Wait, there are three questions now:

Are the atheists correct in asserting that the whole thing was an unplanned accident? The Bible actually addresses many of these issues and provides answers that tell us why God created the universe the way He did.

Well as long as it answers “many” of those three questions, I’m happy to read on.

The main problem with the question is that it makes some assumptions about God that just aren't true. Many skeptics assume that instant creation demonstrates the power of God more decisively than creation over a period of time. One problem with this assumption is that the element of time is irrelevant to God. In fact, the Bible says that God created time along with the universe.3 Therefore, God is not bound by time, so that six days, six minutes, or six trillion years mean nothing to Him. It's not like He had to wait around for things to happen, since He is not subject to time.

I’m going to ignore the straw atheist assumption.  The question is why six days in particular not why six days instead of zero days. And exactly which atheists think the power of a non-existent god is better proven by a shorter time taken for creation? Confusing.  But if time is irrelevant to god, why did he go to all the trouble of taking exactly six days?  This is the sort of thing we atheists ask and exactly the question the author is somersaulting to avoid.  But to be fair, he’s about to make a stab at an answer:

Even though God is not bound by time, one could say that creating instantly would be preferable to creating over a period of time.

One could, but I can’t think of a reason one would, especially if we’ve already accepted that god is timeless.

However, any astronomer asked the question would prefer that the universe be created over time.

I don’t think the author asked any astronomers, do you?  I think astronomers would say that they write down shit they see and make predictions about what they might see next.  If preference came into it, I expect they’d prefer good telescopes to bad ones and generous funding to a pittance, but I’m not an astronomer.

Curiously, astronomers would be out-of-business if God had created the universe instantly.

You know this is going to be good:

This is because the universe is expanding at nearly the speed of light, so that we can see back in time nearly to the creation event itself. If God had created everything instantly (but kept the universe the same size), and placed all plant and animal life on earth a few thousand years ago, we would see nothing of the heavens, other than the solar system and a few stars.4

The site delivers as usual. The author creates an extraordinary vision of the universe, which he already admits no astronomer would subscribe to, and uses this to explain why astronomers would be out of a job if it were true, which it is demonstrably not. Therefore god. Brilliant. I’m going to go with the idea that astronomers have jobs not because an insanely convoluted straw caricature of their entire body of work is false but because the actual body of work is true. I’m thinking that’s the way Occam’s razor snits.

However, Psalm 19 says that the heavens declare the glory of God,5 so it seems likely that God wanted us to see the entire universe. If He had created it instantly, this would not be possible.

Unless, since the premise is already that god is omnipotent, he did the whole photons-en-route-to-earth thing.  But far be it for the rest of us to feel that observable reality might trump Psalm 19.

The same logic can be used for the creation of the earth and life on it. Besides indicating that the heavens declare the Glory of God, Psalm 19 says that the firmament shows His handiwork. The biological history of the earth is preserved in the rocks so that we can see the creative handiwork of God in producing life's history. If the universe and earth were created instantly, there would be no history of life to examine, and God's glory would not be visible to us.

I have this weird compulsion to make Young Earth Creationist arguments against this extraordinary statement.  We’re already supposed to have accepted god’s omnipotence and yet we’re supposed not to believe that god planted fossils to fuck with us.  

But I’m being unfair. So far the author has been demolishing the arguments he pretends atheists have about… well, he seems to have entirely forgotten what the argument is about.  When are we going to get to the part where the claim in Genesis (and the claim of countless people) that that the universe was created in six days is scientifically plausible?

Let’s fast forward through the part, littered as it is with scientific inaccuracy, that says rocky planets like ours take a while to form. Once ours did, the author asks, did god take the best part of 4 billion additional years to create humans?  It turns out that it was yet again so we happened to exist at exactly the right time to appreciate god’s glory.  This seems somewhat fundamentally at odds with the prior claim that god is timeless and omnipotent. And it makes the breathtaking assumption that the entire universe is there simply to make us understand how great god is.

I’ve had enough of this, so I’ll finish with the author’s explanation of the purpose of creation, which is supposed to bring these deranged ramblings into a concise explanation of why god took 6 days to make the universe. I doubt you need the spoiler alert:

In order to determine why God created the way He did, we need to understand the purposes for which God created the universe. Atheists and certain religious sects assume God created the earth for mankind to give us a perfect place to live that is designed for our enjoyment. However, nowhere does the Bible indicate that God created the earth for our pleasure or enjoyment. In contrast, the Bible indicates that the earth was established to accomplish the purposes of God.7 What are the purposes of God regarding this creation? First and foremost, the creation is designed as a place where evil can be conquered.8 Jesus Christ, through His sacrifice on the cross, provided a sacrifice to remove the evil we have committed and reconcile us to God and each other.9 Our role in this purpose is to choose between good and evil.10 By choosing good, we participate in God's purposes and bring glory to Him.11 According to the Westminster Shorter Catechism, "Man’s chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him forever."12 This creation is not the ultimate purpose of God, since it will be destroyed13 and replaced with a permanent, perfect creation,14 in which we can live with God forever. So, by necessity, this universe must be temporary and subject to the laws of thermodynamics.

Science, everyone.

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